Not gonna shut up just because the media is playing up the toppling of a few statues as "victory". Liberation is what this war is ostensibly about, and that's the condition for victory. Until we are no longer in Iraq running their affairs Iraq is not liberated, and if we leave Iraq in the condition we've more or less left Afghanistan it won't be liberated. So far as I'm concerned this war doesn't even really begin until Bush declares victory - and, in case folks weren't paying attention, he hasn't yet.